Rawdog or Use a condom
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(05-06-2020, 03:39 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:
(05-06-2020, 02:08 PM)Mister Happy Wrote: If you're a true alpha, there are simply too many to be a father to them all. It's like trying to be a father to all the pebbles on a beach. And even if you wanted to, the women may prefer someone else. They want an alpha to bang, and a beta to help them raise their brood. That is why I like to meet the woman's boyfriend/husband and make sure he will be a good dad to my kid haha. You can't see that you're holding yourself to a beta code of conduct can you?

"True alpha".

Oh dear. If you're above 20, you're far too old for this tryhard shit.
I've been around this game sphere for over a decade and seen too many guys like this. They usually have an incelish background and few results with women so when they actually start to see some and find game, they overcompensate in the other direction and just comes off as mega douchebags. Everything is about trying to be an alpha and you can see this with all the numerous ridiculous threads on RVF where some even claimed it was beta to do the cowgirl position while having sex "you're fucking a girl doing cowgirl?? You beta!!". Then they brag online about women in order to get validation and acceptance from other men, that they have the ability to sleep with women (regardless if they're typically 6's and 7's from some third world shithole). Everything in the world evolves around alpha vs. beta and the obession to have status.

"yEah bro, I'm so alpha because I fuck a bunch of average sluts without condom that I could potentially be forced to pay child support for and I'm the alphast alpha man because I don't see them. Please look at me and admire me, see how alpha I am!".

But most of these eventually mature too and I'm pretty sure you will as well. Most likely you'll look back on your contribution here in 3 years something and cringe. Which you should since it's just pathetic and degenerate.
There's nothing cool or something to glorify with not being present in your child's life just as there's nothing cool with mafia guys or gangsters who can earn a lot of money and have women for a short period of time. It's just unfortunate that the youth get so indoctrinated and obsessed with social status.

I don't see the connection between some conversations you saw on RVF about cowgirl being beta and the current discussion about the morality of raw dog.

I was alluding more to your idea that men are always responsible for women's problems.

Your first fallacy is that women are pure and if they have sex it is because a man somehow made them do it. No, women choose. If you say yes and she says no, it doesn't happen. If she says yes and you say no, she goes with someone else. See how it works?


Second, you have no way to know you're the only man with a woman at any particular moment. She could say yes to you and several other guys.

Ergo, if there is a result (a woman is pregnant) you can't assume 100% responsibility, since it was her choice and for all you know there were others.

No one has glorified "not being there" for a child. Again, your assumption that men are responsible for a woman's problems. If a child's father is not there, it is often because the woman didn't want him to be there.

I don't see where social status ever entered the conversation, it wasn't from my side. You just seem upset with me for pointing out the impurity of promiscuous women and questionable paternity of their children.

Perhaps though there is that one pure woman for you who will bear your children only to you and all will end happily ever after, if you find her I encourage you to keep her.

Back to the original point, raw dog isn't immoral. You're absolved of responsibility, since you're not the gatekeeper. She gives you a shot, you decide you're scared and don't take it, someone else will. You take it, and she never calls you again, obviously the choice to raise the kid without you is her choice not yours. For better or worse, you lack the control, and responsibility, over the destinies of the women and children of the world that you seem to believe that you have.
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#42
(05-06-2020, 04:19 PM)Mister Happy Wrote: I don't see the connection between some conversations you saw on RVF about cowgirl being beta and the current discussion about the morality of raw dog.

I was alluding more to your idea that men are always responsible for women's problems.

Your first fallacy is that women are pure and if they have sex it is because a man somehow made them do it. No, women choose. If you say yes and she says no, it doesn't happen. If she says yes and you say no, she goes with someone else. See how it works?

The connection was simple, you talked about the importance of being an alpha or even "true alpha" which we've seen hundred of times before. Time to grow out of that because you're just going to come off as try hard and ridiculous to normal well-adjusted people.  

I never ever said men are always responsible for women's problems and I never claimed women are pure, nowhere did I write that.
That's some bullshit you made up, you'll have to check the post again.

Saying you have zero responsibility for a pregnancy is wrong however since men also choose to sleep with a particular woman without protetcion and risk becoming a father.

(05-06-2020, 04:19 PM)Mister Happy Wrote: Second, you have no way to know you're the only man with a woman at any particular moment. She could say yes to you and several other guys.

Ergo, if there is a result (a woman is pregnant) you can't assume 100% responsibility, since it was her choice and for all you know there were others.

No one has glorified "not being there" for a child. Again, your assumption that men are responsible for a woman's problems. If a child's father is not there, it is often because the woman didn't want him to be there.

Again, never said men are responsible for women's problems. Men are however responsible for the problems that their children could face which you bizarrely claim they don't.

And what has any of this got to with you deciding to not use protection though? Is your argument that you won't use protection because she might be fucking so many other men anyway that the kid might not be yours? If something, I'd say that's even a bigger argument for actually using protection in order to not get an STD or have a kid with a slut.

Or is the argument that you don't believe in using protection because she want a child but she might not have the biological father around anyway, so you'll take the risk of giving her one? I don't see how the argument holds up either way. And lets be honest, it's far more common that women want the biological father to stick around but they got themselves pregnant by a man who wouldn't commit to stay around.

(05-06-2020, 04:19 PM)Mister Happy Wrote: I don't see where social status ever entered the conversation, it wasn't from my side. You just seem upset with me for pointing out the impurity of promiscuous women and questionable paternity of their children.

Perhaps though there is that one pure woman for you who will bear your children only to you and all will end happily ever after, if you find her I encourage you to keep her.

Back to the original point, raw dog isn't immoral. You're absolved of responsibility, since you're not the gatekeeper. She gives you a shot, you decide you're scared and don't take it, someone else will. You take it, and she never calls you again, obviously the choice to raise the kid without you is her choice not yours. For better or worse, you lack the control, and responsibility, over the destinies of the women and children of the world that you seem to believe that you have.

Social status comes in with your obsession with alpha here and alpha there and you seem to think it's a cool thing to sleep with married women and have kids which you said here that you would like to have. I can see how you would get some validation from that and think of yourself as being so alpha for having a woman cheat with you but in reality you're just another degenerate.

Of course you're not absolved of responsibility just like you mentioned earlier that it takes two to tango. Besides, self-ownership is a masculine virtue and since you seem to think that women are so immature and inable to think rationally, it actually puts more responsibility on you as a man to not reward a stupid hoe with a child. You're just trying to rationalize your degeneracy here.

It's like a slave owner before 1865 in America would claim that he had zero responsbility whatsoever for keeping a bunch of starving slaves because he was actually allowed to do so back then because the Government was the gatekeeper to slavery.
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(05-06-2020, 05:31 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote: (snip) It's like a slave owner before 1865 in America would claim that he had zero responsbility whatsoever for keeping a bunch of starving slaves because he was actually allowed to do so back then because the Government was the gatekeeper to slavery.

Wow bro you really overthink this. You're an alpha or you're not, it's not something that can be important to someone or be cool to someone. Unless you're not an alpha and it is something you imagine as being important and cool to people who are.

What I said is that you should go with your instincts and your feelings.

Perhaps at some subliminal level you have decided you're not an alpha and you're afraid to stick yourself out there as an alpha.

I still don't get the status thing, unless inside your mind you attribute higher status to alphas. Remember you don't own your possessions, they own you! Wait until you get a mortgage.

You also don't get that in modern society, men are the ones who are being enslaved. Part of the enslavement is to pre-indoctrinate men that it is masculine to be a slave. It's obviously much more masculine to have a good time with no responsibilities than to saddle yourself with imagined obligations.

These are basic red pill/blue pill differences, it's always painful to learn that the comforts of blue pill life are a sham and a choice to accept defeat and not engage in the struggle.

You have no responsibility to a child until it is determined in a court of law Smile always get a dna test...

The end result though is by all means bag up, I will raw dog all the chicks that are unsatisfied, because at their core, if the chick thinks you're alpha, she wants to be raw-dogged by you and won't be satisfied with anything less.
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#44
Quote:The end result though is by all means bag up, I will raw dog all the chicks that are unsatisfied, because at their core, if the chick thinks you're alpha, she wants to be raw-dogged by you and won't be satisfied with anything less.

What would you do if you got herpes or such?
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#45
I have had scares in the past, I now use a condom unless she's young and hot(under 21) then I don't want to ruin the experience. Otherwise wear a condom, if you get HSV2 then you have it for life.

If condoms give you an attack of Mr floppy then use Viagra or Cialis
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#46
(05-06-2020, 06:06 PM)WombRaider Wrote:
Quote:The end result though is by all means bag up, I will raw dog all the chicks that are unsatisfied, because at their core, if the chick thinks you're alpha, she wants to be raw-dogged by you and won't be satisfied with anything less.

What would you do if you got herpes or such?

I have a strong immune system. No problems so far. I suppose I would cross that bridge when I get to it. 

You can get it from kissing and oral sex. So a condom won't really help lol. Maybe a complete body suit is required?

Herpes is very widespread, 2/3 of people under 50 are infected. I feel sorry for you young guys.

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/28-...rus-type-1

Obviously suiting up is not feasible in all situation nor is it going to save you if everyone is infected. Or, perhaps the "facts" have been misrepresented and the risk is exaggerated by governments seeking to control our minds. Hmm...
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#47
It seems like we have a polarity of opinion here.  The factions are against rawdogging for either A) she gets pregnant or B) she give you a disease.

My personal opinion is "trust your gut" when you enter the trenches -- kissing, fucking, and all the other perverted acts of "love" we have as commonplace now.  Get in touch with yourself so that when it is game-on you know how to respond and move forward into the light of orgasm.

As a rule, I usually start a new fuck to be at 10/10 for using a condom then decrease as appropriate to 0/10 (always raw) depending on what you learn about her over several acts of passion.

Common sense might not be fun at first but it ramps up to more pleasure as time goes by.

And yeah, nothing wrong with dick-pills.  They should sprinkle that shit on all appetizers at all restaurants and sell it like candy at grocery stores.
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#48
If you are over 40 and the girl is younger than 28. Rawdog...100%
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#49
Got me some quarentinder raw dog coming over tomorrow
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#50
You slay em buddy, I've been doing the same. I'm working on this redhead now but she's all coronascared. Luckily i got backups
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#51
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#52
(05-07-2020, 08:36 PM)blackfriar Wrote: If you are over 40 and the girl is younger than 28. Rawdog...100%

I would say better under 22, despite me being over 40 the girls are almost never over 28

Personal preference though
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#53
100% condom or 100% no-condom are both unreasonable approaches I think. Better to just have a solution in the middle and call it by ear and use a bit of common sense. If the girls a one night stand from a bar who never even suggests a condom then I'm definitely wearing one. Or if I'm in a pretty slutty place like a holiday island where everyone is fucking everyone I'm definitely wearing one. Or if I was somewhere in the developing world like SEA or Africa and with a local I'd definitely use one.

If the girl is someone who took a couple of dates, who I know is from a decent background etc I'll probably risk it without one. Or if a girl really demanded a condom the first time, thats also a good sign for risking it other times.

Not a foolproof system mind you, but I've been lucky with it so far.
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#54
I wish I could use a condom and still feel everything like when I was younger, but once you have a regular girl on the pill or with an IUD, and you get go rawdog and finish inside anytime you want...it's kind of hard to go back.

For a one night stand, I will use a condom 95% of the time (percentage probably not that high, just a number I threw out there that would be ideal). I consider skipping a condom when:
a. hotter than the usual girls I bang
b. relatively young (all things equal, an older woman will have been around more than a younger woman has, therefore less risk)
c. I get the feeling she is a nice girl and innocent, and probably not a huge whore

I sometimes also forego the condom if I am drunk and I can't get it up with a condom, and my stupid drunk brain makes a bad decision. I have made an effort to not get as drunk when going out so I don't make potentially lifechanging sexual decisions.

I have never caught anything permanent thankfully. Even trying to be careful, I've caught chlamydia and gonnorhea twice. 

Once from a 5 second blowjob from a girl after sex (I wore a condom for the sex, she pull it off after I finished and sucked the rest out. Was hot when it happened, but it gave me the clap :/). 

Once before sex, I said "oohh let me just put it in for a second" and did about 7-9 strokes with no condom (probably around 15 seconds), before putting on a condom and having regular sex. Those few strokes raw was all it took, caught clap again. 

And caught chlamydia from a Scandinavian girl on vacation (she satisfied a. and b. of my rawdog qualifications, so I decided to take the risk and bang her raw several times, since I don't interact with hot northern European girls very often. Got burned).

Word of advice to you guys who have never caught an STD: it only take being inside her vagina/mouth for a second for it to transmit to your urethra. I don't know about other infections, but bacterial infections like UTIs, chlamydia, and gonnorhea are very contagious. I don't know if all guys are the same, but for me, it's very easy to catch. Also, I think it's possible that a girl doesn't know she has it, since maybe it affects her genitals different than it does the male urethra (males will get a painful urination...there's no mistaking it). All 3 were surprised, at least they acted like they were, when I told them.

My count is in the 30s. I also tried to count every girl I've ever had a nice full tongue kiss with (I was just curious, I know most guys don't care about this), I counted around 70. From girls on dates, drunken bar makeouts, girlfriends, etc. I have never had any kind of herpes sore on my mouth or genitals, and I've always tested negative on tests. According to statistics, it says that I most likely have it given how many mouths I've come in contact with, but it also says many people have it and never show symptoms, or even show a positive result on a test. So either it's not as common as statistics say it is, or maybe I am one of the lucky few that just caught it and my immune system will just now show it? I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but HSV1 and HSV2 are by far the scariest of any STD (including HIV, since I feel it is very easy to avoid), and if a girl has any sign or appearance of a possible sore or even an unsightly pimple, I will not go through with it due to anxiety. Unless I am drunk and make a stupid decision, which I hope I never do.
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(05-08-2020, 08:14 PM)rubix Wrote: According to statistics, it says that I most likely have it given how many mouths I've come in contact with, but it also says many people have it and never show symptoms, or even show a positive result on a test. So either it's not as common as statistics say it is, or maybe I am one of the lucky few that just caught it and my immune system will just now show it? I don't know, I'm not a doctor, but HSV1 and HSV2 are by far the scariest of any STD (including HIV, since I feel it is very easy to avoid), and if a girl has any sign or appearance of a possible sore or even an unsightly pimple, I will not go through with it due to anxiety. Unless I am drunk and make a stupid decision, which I hope I never do.

Usually they don't test for HSV unless you have a sore that they can swab. It's possible to get blood tests but it's not part of routine testing. Most people are asymptomatic.

In the ponds where players fish, the rates would be very high.
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#56
Besides Viagra and Cialis what other dick pills are there?
I have never taken Viagra or Cialis I feel they are too hardcore, are they really that normal to use? I'm a young guy that's why try staying away but there are times I could really use some boosters and enhancements
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#57
(05-10-2020, 01:40 AM)28Mackn Wrote: Besides Viagra and Cialis what other dick pills are there?
I have never taken Viagra or Cialis I feel they are too hardcore, are they really that normal to use? I'm a young guy that's why try staying away but there are times I could really use some boosters and enhancements

A booster or enhancement for what? I think you need viagra etc when your dick never works to the level that you would like. If you're young and run in to an occasional problem, like your dick works fine sometimes and at other times it doesn't, it's probably situational, i.e. like emotional or something. Like you're upset by something at work or in a relationship or your finances etc. Viagra could have a placebo effect (gives you more confidence) but is probably unnecessary and not going to improve performance if you don't actually have a physical problem.

If you have an emotional issue going on, try talking with someone about whatever emotional problem you're dealing with.

You can cut the pills in half if you find they are too strong.
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#58
(05-10-2020, 01:40 AM)28Mackn Wrote: Besides Viagra and Cialis what other dick pills are there?
I have never taken Viagra or Cialis I feel they are too hardcore, are they really that normal to use? I'm a young guy that's why try staying away but there are times I could really use some boosters and enhancements

You can get pills that are more or less a combination of herbs and supplements such as yohimbe, tribulus, maca, l-arginine, etc...  These are more natural and just as powerful, for me at least.    

I've taken these in the past:

https://www.gearisle.com/python-4k-male-...ement-pill

I almost never took a whole pill because they are so strong, so I would pop one open and sprinkle some of the powder into a small cup of water and that is plenty enough.  They give you a nice energy boost and are filled with ingredients known to boost your t levels.  I've noticed having a nice pump in the gym the night after having some.  It feels similar to Cialis as the feeling can last a few days depending on how much you've had.

I've mainly used it when I wanted to go two or three rounds and had to wear a condom and/or was drinking heavily.  If you are mostly sober and going in raw then you shouldn't really need it unless you are planning on a marathon session.

If you do take a whole pill, just be sure the girl is ready for some serious action. Your refractory time will be almost nil.  The few times I've done it the girl has always asked me to stop after awhile lol.  I've only had one girl who could fully handle me on one of those, and it was all night and half the next day until I had to go to work! She was a sexy crazed nurse who told me she'd never met a guy who could up with her until me.

However that being said, you should try basic PE exercises for overall health. Manual stretching, jelqing, and kegels will go a long way in maintaining your sexual health and libido.
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#59
I approaching mid 30s and was worried about my erections, but then I went for a long hike and fucked like a champ the following week. There's something to it.
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#60
@ El Jefe, delayed ejaculation and prolonged erection are negative side effects of performance enhancing drugs. Probably need to go with half a pill lol.

I don't think jelqing or herbal remedies are necessary, if you are a young guy and have occasional inability to perform the way you like, it's probably due to stresses of your everyday life. Physical activity (hiking as Churros recommends) are great for taking your mind off your other problems, if you aren't in a position to radically change your life and eliminate stressors.
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