Who's Your Favorite Active PUA?
#1
Thing's have changed a lot since pick up exploded. Lot's of the top guys stopped, either from a change of priorities, from fear of the law or even censorship. The attitude towards PUAs is obviously hostile, but I know there's still guys out there. Who's your favorite? At the moment my top three are:

-Goldmund Unleashed

Not really a hardcore PUA, but I feel like he's interesting enough to be on the list. He gives me hope in the bleakish market right now, plus the cool adventure his life is atm.

-Days of Game

His writing gets me in the mood to enjoy the process, which is key for my sanity. I'm also interested in his future writings on daygame in Japan.

-SquattinCassanova

Just has a crazy amount of content on picking up chicks. He also has a dope looking bootcamp that I wanna go to, but first I've gotta sell my soul.
After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
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#2
(01-16-2020, 05:20 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote: Thing's have changed a lot since pick up exploded. Lot's of the top guys stopped, either from a change of priorities, from fear of the law or even censorship. The attitude towards PUAs is obviously hostile, but I know there's still guys out there. Who's your favorite? At the moment my top three are:

They'd all help themselves tremendously if theyd drop the cheesy, contrived "PUA" title and went with something more in line with: 

"Men that get what they want by learning to give women what they want"
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#3
I suspect even the legit PUA's are having a harder time now. 2000-2008 cold approach probably worked to some extent but I bet it's become almost impossible with smart phones and instagram and whatnot. People just don't go out to socialize as much, girls are way more defensive and dismissive.

I took a love's systems bootcamp way back in 2007 with tenmagnet, cajun, and braddock. They were definitely good with girls, but none of them really had a legit career (of course they had a great story), I bet now that they're older they don't pull as much.

I don't think any of them have made the connection between socialism, our new globo homo masters and how this has impacted female behavior. Tenmagnet is a commie hipster from toronto, but I don't think he's realized how this ideology is destroying sexual relations.
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#4
Holy shit, you actually went on a bootcamp?
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#5
Goldmund is cool. I got his book off Amazon and will be using a variation to his "game". 




(01-16-2020, 06:14 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote: I suspect even the legit PUA's are having a harder time now. 2000-2008 cold approach probably worked to some extent but I bet it's become almost impossible with smart phones and instagram and whatnot. People just don't go out to socialize as much, girls are way more defensive and dismissive. 

I took a love's systems bootcamp way back in 2007 with tenmagnet, cajun, and braddock. They were definitely good with girls, but none of them really had a legit career (of course they had a great story), I bet now that they're older they don't pull as much.

I don't think any of them have made the connection between socialism, our new globo homo masters and how this has impacted female behavior. Tenmagnet is a commie hipster from toronto, but I don't think he's realized how this ideology is destroying sexual relations.

I don't agree with legit PUAs having a hard time. The only thing stopping a legit PUA is burnout. People are always going to be fucking. I went to a bootcamp with a guy tha probably still could get laid even though he's in his early 40s now. It has nothing to do with game but being 6 feet+, white, and looking like a certain celebrity helps. All "game" is is showing up and sealing the deal. Some people say you have to say certain things, super text game, be high energy, use a specific vocal tonality, and be funny but it's stupid and mental masturbation. What helped me enhance my attractiveness was developing myself over the years. I'm still not finished but I'm almost there. For starters having my own pad and traveling more would make me more appealing, not another secret routines or inner game product. I remember all the fun I had in Thailand (soon Latin America) and can talk about what I did. The average guy only has his 9-5 and chilling out on Netflix. BORING.
The bootcamp structure is dead. There's too much liability with Metoo and I think the average guy is getting laid through social circle not banging a rotation. The "playas" are getting their rotation through online and overseas.
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#6
Yea I took it in 2007 right before it became popular with that VH1 show with mystery I only paid $800. After the VH1 show and media exposure their bootcamp prices went up to like $3,000.

It was primarily older men 35+, I was 20 and pissed off at a girl that's why I went lol.

Cajun and tenmagnet are both short and skinny, but they have a cool hipster artsy identity that girls in cities like. Cajun recommended taking acting classes, he had done theater and whatnot he said it really helped his game. They said social circle vs cold approach is like farming vs hunting. The only consistent success will come with farming (social circle). Cold approach is more like hunting with wild extremes of results.

But yea, the bootcamp model of a group of 12 guys going to the same bar and approaching every girl is just retarded. The knowledge they give is legit though.
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#7
I came to the conclusion that if someone is marketing themselves as a PUA or are selling some type of "men's improvement product" they are almost guaranteed to be "beta" guys who are not very masculine and don't have much going for them. Everything I've seen so far supported me in that view. Roosh is only one example. There's also the 21 Convention guys, the RSD guys etc. All these people are complete dorks. Is there one "PUA" out there that you would say is a cool guy with a cool life? I think there is none. One exception maybe is GLL, but he has stopped the PUA thing, he only did it for like 4 years and then left the business. 

I just think that if you're really a cool, smart, masculine guy, why would you go and become a PUA? It's a pretty shitty career, you're surrounded by dorks all the time, and for most people it's a road to nowhere (if you build a company like RSD it's different, then you do make good $$). There are simply so many other options out there to make money & have a great  lifestyle that are better. 

It's too bad tho, because young guys who are looking for a role model often end up with these PUAs or coaches, who are actually not very good guides for how to be masculine or how to be cool.
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#8
I strongly believe all this PUA "strategies", are very meaningless. Approaches become superficial.

If you are into farming.. Go ahead and farm, are you into hunting... Go ahead and simply cold approach without thinking what to say. Stop the girls in the streets and simply talk... Simple non-calculated talk is best.

I only do day hunting. Girls are more educated, better quality and you can differentiate a 4 from a 7-8 from a mile away
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#9
I don't know of any.
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#10
I recommend you don’t waste your money on a boot camp with squatting. He’s a nice guy from what I hear, but by all reports his boot camps are a total rip off. He only takes Venmo so people can’t dispute, not a good sign
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#11
My favorite one is Rocha PUA.
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#12
I have a few. Most are red-pill types, but some are "naturals".

- Todd V: He's my main pickup coach. I bought The System and study it as my primary material for pick-up. It's an excellent product and Todd knows what the fuck he's talking about. Alot of people complain that "he's boring". Motherfucker, it doesn't matter if he's boring, but rather that his advice works on a practical level.

- Roosh V: I know, I know. Don't crucify me. I follow some of his material, but Roosh was the first pickup artist I ever followed. He resonated with me philosophically, his overall game strategem, and I met him in person at his Phoenix convention. Great guy, just a crying shame he left the PUA life.

- The Natural Lifestyles: The only "natural" game I follow. James Marshall and the TNL crew are big believers of natural and direct game. I primarily follow TNL for their inner game strategies. That's it.

BONUS: Chase Amante: I recently got into this guy and his website girlschase.com. I've used a plethora of his advice during my day game mall sets.
The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right.” - Confucius

“Flirting is not just something you say or do. It is something you embody.“ - Todd V

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#13
Todd V is just about the only active PUA who i still watch and read about. I think hes probably ran out of material. But even when he was with RSD i learned a great deal from him. Insight that i didn't have before. In his earlier stuff basically he explained some game concepts as if he was talking to someone who was socially retarded. Which i definitely needed at the time
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#14
Techniques can be useful but at my level I prefer to just read good writing. Game writing has two main purposes: motivation and recovery.

Say what you like about RSD but Tyler's enthusiasm in the early days was infectious and I still haven't found anyone better.

Roosh's writing was honest and therapeutic for the grind. But this negativity eventually transformed into male entitlement. The doom & gloomers in this thread think pussy should be free?

We are still in the golden age of pussy but you have to work for it. If you're tired of the grind then cash out of the game – provided you're not damaged and addicted to sex.
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#15
As much as I don't like RSD, I gotta give credit where it's due: Julian's advice of 'just walk into her house' helped me get my first bang. Still, he also suggested that I call random girls whores, which led to a shitty day.

(01-16-2020, 09:00 PM)timalemanha Wrote: I strongly believe all this PUA "strategies", are very meaningless. Approaches become superficial.

If you are into farming.. Go ahead and farm, are you into hunting... Go ahead and simply cold approach without thinking what to say. Stop the girls in the streets and simply talk... Simple non-calculated talk is best.

I only do day hunting. Girls are more educated, better quality and you can differentiate a 4 from a 7-8 from a mile away

Nah, bro. Learning the strategies from people that've gone through it saves tons of time, plus what about the non-calculated, uncalibrated dudes? It's a dangerous time to be uncalibrated. Even naturals have strategies that they use or experiment with, weather they know it or not.
After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
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#16
(01-17-2020, 01:41 AM)Pavlov\s dog Wrote: Todd V is just about the only active PUA who i still watch and read about. I think hes probably ran out of material. But even when he was with RSD i learned a great deal from him. Insight that i didn't have before. In his earlier stuff basically he explained some game concepts as if he was talking to someone who was socially retarded. Which i definitely needed at the time

Hey man, I checked out Todd V. I have to say, I'm quite surprised. I'm very sceptical of PUA guys, but what I saw from Todd V seemed good. He's not a super cool guy, but he's definitely smart and he's not a dork. Will check out some more of his stuff.
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#17
He has some good insight. I wish i had his archived when he was with RSD he was putting out great in depth technical material on psychology, which i nerd out on. I think he's a bit of an old dog at this point trying to do young buck stuff with pua but i definitely see value in his work.
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#18
That's the danger with all this "PUA"  stuff. Its easy for a younger guy to "nerd out" on the "technical" details looking for the exact words, actions, timing, etc that produce some kind of magic "abracadabra" that opens a girls legs. 

Its said "Life is a journey, not a destination" Well game is really the opposite. What youre looking for is the "destination" ie results.

Like anything else if you know where you want to go its much easier get there rather than get stuck on minutiae of a specific route. 

What result are you looking for? 

Answer: Specific emotional state(s) in the girl youre trying to game
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#19
PT i think you may have mistook what i was saying. The reason i find Todd Vs work valuable is because it generally does paint with broad strokes on the emotionality and psychology of women.

Technical step by step instructionals have value, but general only to form a larger opinion on how to get there yourself. Psychological states, triggers, stuff like that generally is pretty broad for the exact reason you mention. Its contextual and specific to the interaction

And to be perfectly frank; i generally think self professed "PUA" types that are selling a product are leeches on our community. I generally despise them because they add no value and only take away with a few exceptions. The real gems of human beings never seem to write and sell books, even though they write books worth of material in places like this for free.
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#20
Game is being replaced by status and/or looks more and more. For that reason most PUA guys are selling snake oil and downright faking things or going places where pussy is super easy so they can demonstrate success. Work on your status and improve your fashion and looks and life in general and you will see much more success than some PUA guys bootcamp.
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