Best country for a beginner?
#61
Can you share some background information about the friend, who is looking for a beginner friendly country? Things like ethnicity, age, and looks. The reason for asking is that in some countries certain characteristics give you privileges and others they make it much harder.

What does you friend's work require? Fast Internet connection for video conferencing or just anything for email? Does he work from home or cafe?

My AirBnb in Miraflores Lima had a decent Internet connection. I guess this is a standard in any large city around the world. If Starbucks is your thing, then Peruvian Starbucks does have WiFi as well. 

I chatted with an American guy working remotely as a software engineer in Lima. He lived there with his Chinese girlfriend. I'm not sure from where exactly he worked, but IIRC Lima does have co-working spaces and a startup scene. Check out meetup.com for a weekly startup gatherings. 

In Cusco I talked in a bar with a Peruvian girl working remotely for something in US. I think it was a hospital and she worked as a translator. Cusco is a vacation retreat for both Peruvians and foreigners, and I don't remember if she was from there or not. I remember though that she had beautiful shiny black hair, which is a clear indication of indigenous blood and a typical look of people you meet in Cusco.

Last, but not least, Latin America is great, but safety is an issue. Peru is considered safe by the local standards, which, if I understand things correctly, means that you can get robbed, but not kidnapped for ransom, or murdered for fun.
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#62
Yes, Peru is on the ups in terms of development, but can still be dodgy.

My buddy made the tremendous mistake of getting in a street taxi at 4am outside a club in Barranco. He passed out in the car and woke in a garage in Surquillo (very shady neighborhood).  They took everything including his clothes and shoes, and he had to walk back to Miraflores in his underwear. Miraculously he knew where he was. Lima is massive and if they would have taken him to a more remote neighborhood who knows if he would have made it back. Lucky also they didnt' beat him.

Uber works great in Lima, and I would only recommend using this. No street taxis.

Also on Pizza St I have heard of quite a few roofies being used on guys.  Watch out for girls here, especially Venezuelans.
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#63
I'm curious about where the veterans would suggest a mid to late 20s black dude from the states could go to completely kill it. Middling game, looks like a bigger version of the singer Khalid (six foot plus, power lifter frame, but same facial structure) Europe and South east Asia are within traveling distance, south America would take some time and saving up.
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#64
^Africa
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#65
I don't understand why Europe and SEA are more accessible than South America fur aguy from the states (I assume that means USA). Flights to Africa are frightfully expensive. If you reallt want to kill it, learn Creole (pidgin French) and go to Haiti. Cheap flights from Miami. Then hire some guy to bring the girls to you, as well as taking care if other needs you have (bodyguard, find nice apartment, bribes in case of problems, etc). Haiti is actually safer than DR if you hire assitants, and assistants will be cheaper than in DR. Use condoms.
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#66
Jakarta is a shit hole of a city in indosnesia but you can fuck alot of 5's maybe 6's from tinder.
stay near the major malls for logistics.

(10-14-2019, 07:01 AM)laowhy86 Wrote: I'm curious about where the veterans would suggest a mid to late 20s black dude from the states could go to completely kill it. Middling game, looks like a bigger version of the singer Khalid (six foot plus, power lifter frame, but same facial structure) Europe and South east Asia are within traveling distance, south America would take some time and saving up.

go Tokyo. the population is 40million. sure youd stack 2-3-4-5 dates a day if you know what your doing on tinder/day/nightgame. not cheap tho. $1000 a month for apartment.

(10-14-2019, 08:42 AM)SpecialEd Wrote: ^Africa

do you know which African countries are A) have the hottest girls B) safe for white people.

(10-14-2019, 06:33 AM)k pop Wrote: Yes, Peru is on the ups in terms of development, but can still be dodgy.

My buddy made the tremendous mistake of getting in a street taxi at 4am outside a club in Barranco. He passed out in the car and woke in a garage in Surquillo (very shady neighborhood).  They took everything including his clothes and shoes, and he had to walk back to Miraflores in his underwear. Miraculously he knew where he was. Lima is massive and if they would have taken him to a more remote neighborhood who knows if he would have made it back. Lucky also they didnt' beat him.

Uber works great in Lima, and I would only recommend using this. No street taxis.

Also on Pizza St I have heard of quite a few roofies being used on guys.  Watch out for girls here, especially Venezuelans.

a) don't get too drunk in a place you don't know well
b) anywhere at 4am is stupidity
c) a+b combined is just fucking stupidity
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#67
Quote:Can you share some background information about the friend, who is looking for a beginner friendly country? Things like ethnicity, age, and looks. The reason for asking is that in some countries certain characteristics give you privileges and others they make it much harder.

What does you friend's work require? Fast Internet connection for video conferencing or just anything for email? Does he work from home or cafe?

White, early/mid 40s, at least average looks tall (6'3").

For internet, the connection need not be super fast -- just needs to be extremely reliable for daily work.
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#68
(10-15-2019, 02:06 AM)WombRaider Wrote:
Quote:Can you share some background information about the friend, who is looking for a beginner friendly country? Things like ethnicity, age, and looks. The reason for asking is that in some countries certain characteristics give you privileges and others they make it much harder.

What does you friend's work require? Fast Internet connection for video conferencing or just anything for email? Does he work from home or cafe?

White, early/mid 40s, at least average looks tall (6'3").

For internet, the connection need not be super fast -- just needs to be extremely reliable for daily work.

It's a common opinion that girls in many Latin American countries have a preference for foreign white men. I read it on Rooshvforum and heard it from a Peruvian guy in Tokyo.

If you need a reliable Internet connection, then you might get some kind of global sim card or "pocket WiFi". In US you have Google Fi, which has very good roaming.
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#69
(10-15-2019, 12:52 PM)Lager Wrote:
(10-15-2019, 02:06 AM)WombRaider Wrote:
Quote:Can you share some background information about the friend, who is looking for a beginner friendly country? Things like ethnicity, age, and looks. The reason for asking is that in some countries certain characteristics give you privileges and others they make it much harder.

What does you friend's work require? Fast Internet connection for video conferencing or just anything for email? Does he work from home or cafe?

White, early/mid 40s, at least average looks tall (6'3").

For internet, the connection need not be super fast -- just needs to be extremely reliable for daily work.

It's a common opinion that girls in many Latin American countries have a preference for foreign white men. I read it on Rooshvforum and heard it from a Peruvian guy in Tokyo.

If you need a reliable Internet connection, then you might get some kind of global sim card or "pocket WiFi". In US you have Google Fi, which has very good roaming.

Yes but it is however not really the norm to have younger Peruanas, going for a guy in his mid 40's. Competition is there and I see more and more guys flying over to Peru, so keep that in mind. 10 years difference is still somewhat normal so WombRaider can find some good women in their 30's. If she is childless, chances are very high that her 'inner clock' will be ticking. Unless you want to have a child, be sure to always use protection.

Peru is also so much more than Lima and be sure to go to some less touristic places or places that are visited by locals (Canta, Lunahuana, etc). They are nice for a weekend and have cheap prices. Always negotiate and set the price down!
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#70
I can't believe someone suggested Poland, Ukraine, US or Brazil.

If you are a newbie your only option is the Philippines. Girls are by far the easiest, you'll get tons of matches and almost surely you'll have your girl in your room after the first date. No level of game is required and even the looks threshold required to get laid is really low.
After one month in the Philippines you'll develop some confidence to game girls in the West.
Of course don't expect the girls to be hot, pinay girls are quite ugly but if you have to learn game and gain confidence there is no better place on Earth.

The worst mistake you can do is going to the US or Europe trying to pick up girls as a guy who doesn't have any (or too little) experience. You'll get brutally blown out.
And don't believe in the myth that East Europe is easy for lays. It's not true anymore....unless you pay of course.
You need thick skin and experience to be able to handle the mental games of ukrainian/russian girls. You can't start there.

As far as the west (US-Western Europe), skip it altogether. Nowadays unless you have a truly amazing and/or very high status looks you'll not pick up any cute/beautiful girl there. It's all social circle game there. You can snatch a beautiful and educated girl (as an average guy) in the West but you need a social circle to bypass the other guys. Otherwise it's too much competition, almost everybody I know that are with a beautiful girl, got her through their social circle. Men don't even "game" anymore. It's a meme. I don't see guys "gaming" girls in Switzerland, France, Italy, Spain, Germany or the Netherland. If you are in the top 10% of looks you can get them (and for them I mean beautiful middle-upper class girls) from Tinder, otherwise gotta use your social circle and have your life pretty much sorted out. That's pretty much it.
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#71
(12-26-2019, 11:18 PM)Originale Wrote: As far as the west (US-Western Europe), skip it altogether. Nowadays unless you have a truly amazing and/or very high status looks you'll not pick up any cute/beautiful girl there. It's all social circle game there. You can snatch a beautiful and educated girl (as an average guy) in the West but you need a social circle to bypass the other guys. Otherwise it's too much competition, almost everybody I know that are with a beautiful girl, got her through their social circle. Men don't even "game" anymore. It's a meme. I don't see guys "gaming" girls in Switzerland, France, Italy, Spain, Germany or the Netherland. If you are in the top 10% of looks you can get them (and for them I mean beautiful middle-upper class girls) from Tinder, otherwise gotta use your social circle and have your life pretty much sorted out. That's pretty much it.

Finland is easy to get laid see my mini-datasheet (https://www.swooptheworld.com/forum/show...p?tid=2073). Read Roosh's book about Iceland. Liver game is all you need in Scandinavia.
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#72
(12-27-2019, 12:03 AM)Mister Happy Wrote:
(12-26-2019, 11:18 PM)Originale Wrote: As far as the west (US-Western Europe), skip it altogether. Nowadays unless you have a truly amazing and/or very high status looks you'll not pick up any cute/beautiful girl there. It's all social circle game there. You can snatch a beautiful and educated girl (as an average guy) in the West but you need a social circle to bypass the other guys. Otherwise it's too much competition, almost everybody I know that are with a beautiful girl, got her through their social circle. Men don't even "game" anymore. It's a meme. I don't see guys "gaming" girls in Switzerland, France, Italy, Spain, Germany or the Netherland. If you are in the top 10% of looks you can get them (and for them I mean beautiful middle-upper class girls) from Tinder, otherwise gotta use your social circle and have your life pretty much sorted out. That's pretty much it.

Finland is easy to get laid see my mini-datasheet (https://www.swooptheworld.com/forum/show...p?tid=2073). Read Roosh's book about Iceland. Liver game is all you need in Scandinavia.
But can you get middle-upper class decent girls in Scandinavia as an average guy without a social circle? I wouldn't think so considering there are so many scandinavian guys around complaining how tough is there.
It seems like the top 10% or 20% of guys get all the best girls for casual sex, and the average ones are left with the scraps or get into a relationship with a cute/beautiful one from their social circle because they can't get casual sex with a decent girl without commitment. The ugly guys get nothing of course. 
When I see video from Scandinavian/British girls sleeping around and get wasted on youtube, it always seems like it's the low class and mediocre looking that do that. A middle-upper class, educated and beautiful girl still sleeps around but with only the top looking guys or very high status guys. And then settle down with an average guy with his life sorted out from her social circle. 
That's how it works pretty much everywhere in West Europe...in my opinion there just are minor differences between North, Central (west of Berlin) and South Europe when it comes to dating, South Europe is more conservative but in younger generations those differences are "smoothing out"
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#73
I think that if your goal is to learn to simply approach, talk to women, learn how to extend the convo, etc. then Poland is a decent choice given that Polish girls are usually receptive and sweet. But if you are a newbie, forget about actually hooking up with those girls that are 6.5+ if you are average.

If you need some quick wins to gain some initial confidence, SEA is the way to go especially if you are white. Don't expect to hook up with the actual attractive SEA girls though...the ones that are easy are average at best. You won't learn much actual game either. Just use it as a way to have a baseline confidence to which you can build your real game.
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#74
I am an average guy with zero social circle in Finland and I easily picked up a pretty 20-year-old college student who spoke very good English for ONS. It is really very easy to make an approach. Many men in Finland don't seem to have much game, terrible fashion sense, step on their tongues, etc. Perhaps that is why they complain. (https://www.swooptheworld.com/forum/show...p?tid=2073). Many lower-class Finnish women (uglier with many tattoos etc) were interested in me however language was more of an issue and it was harder to close the deal with them for that reason. I also agree with other posters that SEA might be easier for someone who wants poosy on a plate.
(12-27-2019, 12:25 AM)Originale Wrote:
(12-27-2019, 12:03 AM)Mister Happy Wrote:
(12-26-2019, 11:18 PM)Originale Wrote: As far as the west (US-Western Europe), skip it altogether. Nowadays unless you have a truly amazing and/or very high status looks you'll not pick up any cute/beautiful girl there. It's all social circle game there. You can snatch a beautiful and educated girl (as an average guy) in the West but you need a social circle to bypass the other guys. Otherwise it's too much competition, almost everybody I know that are with a beautiful girl, got her through their social circle. Men don't even "game" anymore. It's a meme. I don't see guys "gaming" girls in Switzerland, France, Italy, Spain, Germany or the Netherland. If you are in the top 10% of looks you can get them (and for them I mean beautiful middle-upper class girls) from Tinder, otherwise gotta use your social circle and have your life pretty much sorted out. That's pretty much it.

Finland is easy to get laid see my mini-datasheet (https://www.swooptheworld.com/forum/show...p?tid=2073). Read Roosh's book about Iceland. Liver game is all you need in Scandinavia.
But can you get middle-upper class decent girls in Scandinavia as an average guy without a social circle? I wouldn't think so considering there are so many scandinavian guys around complaining how tough is there.
It seems like the top 10% or 20% of guys get all the best girls for casual sex, and the average ones are left with the scraps or get into a relationship with a cute/beautiful one from their social circle because they can't get casual sex with a decent girl without commitment. The ugly guys get nothing of course. 
When I see video from Scandinavian/British girls sleeping around and get wasted on youtube, it always seems like it's the low class and mediocre looking that do that. A middle-upper class, educated and beautiful girl still sleeps around but with only the top looking guys or very high status guys. And then settle down with an average guy with his life sorted out from her social circle. 
That's how it works pretty much everywhere in West Europe...in my opinion there just are minor differences between North, Central (west of Berlin) and South Europe when it comes to dating, South Europe is more conservative but in younger generations those differences are "smoothing out"
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#75
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOMukkPqY2c

maybe the most important thing you have to have/develop when interacting with/dealing with women is...AWARENESS.
I get if you just wanna get laid but if you lack awareness women can be very dangerous nowadays. mostly for nieve but even for successful men can get caught off guard.
e.g in Colombia its not uncommon for women to drug guys and steal from there apartment. I recently found this out. not saying all women do this but you gotta understand when visiting less rich countries you can be a potential target for financial means. solution: do not drink liquids in the apartment.

im consistently learning about women and new places all the time.
I love women but also get that a % of women can have a negative impact on your life wither its 1 night or a lifetime.
develop the abilty to spot red flags and TRUST YOUR GUT. its usually right.

this isn't to scare you off but just understand that wherever you choose to go a small % of women In the world don't have good intensions for men.

be safe out there bro

peace
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#76
(10-14-2019, 01:02 AM)WombRaider Wrote: I don't understand how all this nonsense about strippers got into a thread about the best countries for beginners and/or game-deficient individuals.

Anyway, so far, the Philippines is looking like the best bet for a trip of, say, more than two weeks. I'm not writing off Indonesia yet, but I haven't heard much about how it stacks up for guys age 40+.

The DR and Peru are looking great for a shorter trip.

Can anyone talk about the Wi-Fi situation in any of the above-mentioned countries? Stable enough to get some work done consistently?

As of late 2019 you can get good wifi in any of those countries, but typically only in your airbnb and you need to ask the host beforehand what is the down and up velocity and if appopriate upgrade it. If you're not doing anyting other than answering emails or social, light browsing then you're fine.

Also it really depends on where you are in the countries you mentioned, Jakarta or any of the big cities in Java are about as easy as it can get, 2nd only to Manila/Cebu. However, Bali has become significantly competitive these days due to all these "model" showing up (men and women). Same thing in Thailand, Bangkok is super easy but Chiang Mai, though not hard, has a much more conservative culture and like 25% of the city is fucking foreigner dudes so zero WGF.

Agree with other posters here your friend should maybe travel a bit around various places in SE asia and see which ones he likes.

Also I think Phillipine girls are way better in the sack then Indonesian girls, they also have better grooming habits. Its not uncommon to meet Indonesian girl that is cute you hit it off and then when you get under the sheets you realize her legs are not shaved (or even worse her armpits), plus Phillipine girls give wayyyyy better head then Indonesian girls its like a national sport, plus Indo girls havea tendency to try to tease you a lot and bust your balls, there tough personalities kinda get on my nerves.

Anyways like everyone else said, if "your friend" ? has zero game, Manila or Cebu is best bet.
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#77
(10-05-2019, 02:37 AM)k pop Wrote: We need to discriminate here on the finer points.

Does your "friend" just want to get laid?  If so then does he want to pay or not?  If yes, then Thailand, if no then Philippines.

Now if he actually wants to "game", neither are good choices. Theres no "game" in the Philipppines. Its layup practice.

If you actually want to practice your craft of "game" go to Brazil and learn from your mistakes. Once you have game there, you can be fat and stupid and ugly and still get women. Because women there are the game.

If you pickup girls without paying for it anywhere, it's game. It's just on easy mode in SEA.

(10-14-2019, 06:33 AM)k pop Wrote: Yes, Peru is on the ups in terms of development, but can still be dodgy.

My buddy made the tremendous mistake of getting in a street taxi at 4am outside a club in Barranco. He passed out in the car and woke in a garage in Surquillo (very shady neighborhood).  They took everything including his clothes and shoes, and he had to walk back to Miraflores in his underwear. Miraculously he knew where he was. Lima is massive and if they would have taken him to a more remote neighborhood who knows if he would have made it back. Lucky also they didnt' beat him.

Uber works great in Lima, and I would only recommend using this. No street taxis.

Also on Pizza St I have heard of quite a few roofies being used on guys.  Watch out for girls here, especially Venezuelans.

Take a picture of the taxi/uber's license plate before you get in.
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