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RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-01-2019

Surely a lot of ideas in this chart attempting to play on bitcoin as a start-up analogy.


https://twitter.com/FriarHass/status/1200968136385675264

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RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-01-2019

I cannot recall having a clock, previously.

Whatever... we are in line for something round, anywhooo

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https://twitter.com/BigCheds/status/1201234574107447298


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-02-2019

Here's a very interesting assertion about bitcoin's available supply.  It is not really moving, very much.

The below tweet - and graph is asserting that more than 11.5 million of BTC's supply has not moved for a year or more.  Accordingly all BTC trades and transactions in the last year are accomplished by the other  6.5 million coins (to the extent that fractional reserves is not deflating matters)


https://twitter.com/Rhythmtrader/status/1201264872941600774

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RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-02-2019

The below-linked article makes a few technical analysis based arguments that it is likely that the $6,515 bottom of November 25 is "in" for this particular cycle.  I will believe it when I see it, in terms of getting a bit more of a BTC price cushion.   As I type, for the past day we have been bouncing largely between $7,240 and $7,460 which is way too close to $6,515 for me to feel any amount of comfort that I can rest assured that the bottom is in.


https://cointelegraph.com/news/3-key-metrics-suggest-bitcoin-price-has-completed-its-macro-bear-cycle

By the way, at the end, the article provides a bullish and a bearish scenario, and the bearish scenario is surely a wet-ass fucking dream to suggest that if $6,900 does not hold then the price could go down to $2,700 blah blah blah...   We got a long fucking way to get us down to anything close to that pie in the sky pipe dream, which the article fails to describe exactly any kind of realistic scenarios that bitcoin gets to $2,700-ish merely because it were to go below $6,900.


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - GlobalMan - 12-03-2019

Brutal

Hope you guys got out a while ago too

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RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - churros - 12-03-2019

(12-03-2019, 11:44 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: Brutal

Hope you guys got out a while ago too

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Glad to see some serious technical analysis in this thread


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-03-2019

(12-03-2019, 11:44 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: Brutal

Hope you guys got out a while ago too

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I am suspecting that you, GlobalMan, posted such panic-laden nonsense because you had not seen a reality-based post from me (in this thread) for more than 24 hours, and so your thinking devolved into bitcoin FUD spreading.  Teaches me a lesson to allow the bitcoin skeptical meander for very long, otherwise all goes to shit in a very short time.

So, ultimately, I am concurring with Churros on this one, in terms of the lack of specificity and context that appears in your little fearmongering-inspired visual.

You notice that I make the visual a lot smaller, and nothing really in the message is lost, which is the overall out of context unsubstantiated conclusion contained therein, which presumes that bitcoin is going down.


Get a grip.  We are quite likely in a bullmarket, based on the four year fractal model, stock to flow model and also recent moves in BTC price performance, especially if you look at the past year or so.  You know, like a lot of normies, every calendar year, I make a little assessment of the status of my various investments, and just kind of get an overall view of where I am at, and surely with bitcoin, we were at a high in late 2017, so if I look back to 2017, the bitcoin portion of my portfolio is down, but if I look back to late 2018 or even back to late 2016, I can see a lot of additional value, an appreciation of BTC value of about 95% and about 400%. respectively.   Of course, we are at the end of November, so there is one more month in the year before final calendar-year tallies in 2019 can be more precisely made (or locked in).

Sure, we could look back at the last 5 months of bitcoin, and proclaim that "woe is me and my BTC investment" because my BTC value has gone down by about 50% blah blah blah.... but that short term vision seems to be short-sighted as fuck in terms of attempting to appreciate the whole context of both where bitcoin is at, where it has come from and where it is likely going to go, whether we are talking about the next 6 months or maybe even the next two years, and sure there could be some negative price dynamics that drag out longer than 2 years, too, but I have my doubts.  

In other words, these are quite likely times in which guys should be considering buying, accumulating or at least HODLing.  Yeah, GlobalMan, guys could have sold some BTC at a higher price, but I don't really see any reason to be waiting around for lower prices in order to buy back in with a decent amount of whatever proceeds that they accumulated from prior BTC sales.  I personally get a bit worried if I were to have not bought back when we have these kinds of corrections that are down around 50% from the $13,880 local top, and if you think that we are back into a bear market merely based on short term price performance, then you seem to have some perverted ideas about how markets work, and maybe even more jaded about bitcoin to be presuming that markets flip flop from bull to bear to bull to bear etc etc, and to me, markets just do not seem to work like that... .even in bitcoin. 

In other words (am I running out of "other words" yet?), most likely we are still in a bitcoin bull market not a bear market, so in that regard, if you understand and accept that premise then the odds for UP remain greater than the odds for DOWN, so it remains unsafe to be playing around with scenarios to expect BTC prices to be going down from here.. even though in the short-term, we could see some additional down, even down to $5k or so would not take us out of our current bull market... even though going down to $5k would surely cause a large amount of additional doubters, even from the more BTC convicted (which surely you seem to NOT be a part of such BTC convicted group, GM..... sucks to be you Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue ).

In other words, ... I have said enough for now, to hopefully attempt to get you back on track in terms of zooming out a little bit rather than getting caught up in short term (and inaccurate seemingly fear-based) thinkenings.

Here's a little "more specific than yours" BTC price chart, which may or may not help, because it does confirm that the last 5 months have been mostly negative in terms of BTC prices in late June/early July.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53244714#msg53244714


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-03-2019

Here's a nice thought provoking tweet from someone who does not appear to be a substantive bitcoiner.

https://twitter.com/SuperMugatu/status/1201486761576292352?s=20

Quote:

>>>>>>>
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Dan McMurtrie  @SuperMugatu

There will only ever be 21 million trade deal rumors, which is why each one is so valuable.<<<<<<<


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-03-2019

Here's another nice and colorful chart that reflects bitcoins that were not moved in a certain amount of time that is of course a different color depending upon how long the coins had not been moved and with the base of this graph refelecting the coins that have not moved the longest.

[Image: ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fc2DGEXU.j...TrbDy2ZXtA]

I first saw the graph here, but I have been inquiring to find a way to quickly link to such graph on a live basis - presumably through the https://coinmetrics.io/cm-network-data-pro/ website.. or maybe somewhere else?    

I will provide a link here as soon as I find one (presuming that I do) - unless someone here provides a link to that graphical information before I do... 


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-03-2019

Here's a nice linked article that attempts to categorize a decent variety of categorical concepts in bitcoin, and then put them together if they are kind of related.  Could be an interesting rebuttal to anyone claiming either that bitcoin is boring or that there is nothing going on in bitcoin, which we tend to hear those kinds of assertions on a fairly regular basis from the nocoiners, bitcoin naysayers and altcoin pumpers.

https://medium.com/digitalassetresearch/a-look-at-innovation-in-bitcoins-technology-stack-7edf877eab14

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Also, sometimes lightning network development can become a bit difficult to understand in terms of how much is going on through that second layer and abilities to measure the activities on lightning network because it is increasingly private.... including current measurements that are approaching half of lightning network as private.

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RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-04-2019

(12-03-2019, 10:21 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote: Here's another nice and colorful chart that reflects bitcoins that were not moved in a certain amount of time that is of course a different color depending upon how long the coins had not been moved and with the base of this graph refelecting the coins that have not moved the longest.

[Image: ?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fc2DGEXU.j...TrbDy2ZXtA]

I first saw the graph here, but I have been inquiring to find a way to quickly link to such graph on a live basis - presumably through the https://coinmetrics.io/cm-network-data-pro/ website.. or maybe somewhere else?    

I will provide a link here as soon as I find one (presuming that I do) - unless someone here provides a link to that graphical information before I do... 


I did not find a live feed location for the above graph, but I did see it in a coinmetrics article that came out earlier today, which has some other interesting bitcoin status update information, too (talks about some other coins, as well,  but need not hold such discussions against them. Angel ).

https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-6a3


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-04-2019

Try to wrap your brain around this tangle.


https://twitter.com/ChartsBtc/status/1201889745040576512


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Seems that in the end, it is profitable to buy BTC, especially with a long enough timeline it seems to have paid off.  Chart does not show the profits (or even the negative profits - aka losses) of coins purchased after 2016.  Go figure.


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-04-2019

Here's our projection for million dollar bitcoins by 2032.
 
https://uk.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/BeCC7tnV-BITCOIN-just-for-fun-look-at-the-dates-millions-PER-BITCOIN/
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First seen on WO bitcoin talk.


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-04-2019

Here's a nice article suggesting that bitcoin was the best unicorn of the last decade.

https://www.newsbtc.com/2019/12/04/bitcoin-the-biggest-unicorn-of-the-2010s-market-cap-higher-than-uber-airbnb-combined/

Perhaps, perhaps.  What is the next decade going to do?  Are we in a bitcoin bubble?


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-04-2019

Here's some Lightning network news involving tether and bitfinex, but attempting to expand lightning network adoption and usage too.

https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/49185/bitfinex-ties-up-with-bitrefill-to-allow-users-to-shop-with-bitcoin-and-pay-with-lightning-network


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-05-2019

I am not sure, exactly the significance of the whole matter that more USD value in bitcoin was moved onchain in one hour in the last 24 hours than any other previous point in BTC's history.  $8.9 Billion was moved in one hour at some point today.

Seems to be a sign that bitcoin is working because that amount of value was moved, and I doubt that any bank, government or other third party could have stopped it from happening, and those transacting did not have to wait several days for their transactions to confirm in an irreversible way.

https://twitter.com/n3ocortex/status/1202354579217797120
 

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RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - GlobalMan - 12-05-2019

(12-03-2019, 01:56 PM)churros Wrote: see some serious technical analysis in this thread

I will take that as you have ridden it down like Jay.

My technical expertise = never seeing my investment go down. Pretty good record. Must be something behind such astute dealings.
The alternative is one can write a lot of stuff and lose ones ass, lots of hoping etc. Not my style.

The difference between people doing well and people losing is that I don't care about Bitcoin. I don't want or care to defend it. It's a vehicle
to make money, that's it. I simply try to anticipate what is happening and act on that. One should never be emotionally invested to "defend" Bitcoin.


(12-03-2019, 05:14 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote: panic-laden nonsense

Literal current chart, and zero panic from me (I played it right), but I can understand your stress at such great loses this year by sticking it out through thin, for some reason.

I will agree that we are nearing a bottom though, so time to buy in again (not yet, but soon- I'll let you know IYW)

The key though Jay is to not be holding during a long and predictable downturn. There's always next time though, that's the great thing

(12-03-2019, 05:14 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote: Teaches me a lesson to allow the bitcoin skeptical meander for very long

Lol you never allow that for even a moment, I don't think that's an issue here mate!.

Very little Bitcoin realism or neutral winning strategy is allowed in Jays world, only HODLing and pasting articles while the account goes ↘↘


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-05-2019

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:
(12-03-2019, 01:56 PM)churros Wrote: see some serious technical analysis in this thread

I will take that as you have ridden it down like Jay.

Funny how "Jay" (referring to myself in 3rd person is fun) has elaborated on his system in a multitude of posts, and such "riding" has gone in both directions. Jay rode it down from $1,300 to $152, and that was largely his BTC accumulation stage, so he was buying the whole time. Did not buy any below $180, though.

Then Jay rode it all the way up to $19,666, and sold all the way up, but did not sell any above $20,185 (exchange variability).

Of course, BTC's price does not go directly up and directly down, so there is variation in the price, but Jay has already accounted for that, and BTC has been a pretty damned good investment for those who prioritize attempting to accumulating it and not fearing it. To value their wealth in bitcoin accumulation, which is a long term intention rather than maybe shorter term valuing their wealth in dollars, but in the end, the total dollar value goes up too (that is as long as the BTC price ulitimately goes up, which it has demonstrated a good track record on that and it show a lot of decent fundamentals for anyone who actually attempts to look into fundamentals beyond a snap shot at some short term downwards price volatility.


(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: My technical expertise = never seeing my investment go down.

Not a good look to self-proclaim yourself as an expert, but it might be helpful if you would like to share some of your supposed "expertise" on a regular basis if you believe that your supposedly preferable system brings you to a better place. Some guys might find your variant as useful, perhaps if you got beyond mere bragging? hahahahahaha

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: Pretty good record.

It can be a good record if you don't share details, especially on a rolling basis... .no way to verify the supposed superiority of your system.

But I know that there have been a lot of folks who get screwed because they are attempting to time the market and they are not adequately prepared for BTC price movements in either way.. so preparing for UP as well as down. You surely would have wanted to be in BTC during the period between about October 2015 to December 2017, and you sure would have wanted to be in BTC during the period of April 1, 2019 to June 27, 2019.. of course, it is easy to show periods that you could have gotten in and could have gotten out, especially in retrospect, but that does not mean that there are a variety of ways to make a strategy work for you, especially ones involving BTC accumulation, and frequently HODLing during these seemingly difficult times can be helpful too... but my personal strategy involves a bit of a spread, too.... so I buy as the BTC price goes down and sell as the BTC price goes up, and the movement of the price has to be enough to trigger my buy/sell orders, and those increments have gotten larger (even measuring in terms of percentages) with both higher prices, which also should imply that the level of my equity has gone up (whether measured in bitcoin or in dollars).


(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: Must be something behind such astute dealings.

Yep.... you have made various vague assertions of your astuteness over the years (whether here or in RVF), but your supposed astuteness has also had a lot of long periods of silence.... largely implying that you are not really interested in the topic of bitcoin or maybe that your ongoing stake is fairly minor... Anyhow, you have not really been sharing your self-proclaimed astuteness on a regular basis... which may or may not line up with how other guys consider hedging in these matters.

I remember you coming into the RVF bitcoin thread from time to time to share how smart you were, but did not really result in much if any information besides your patting yourself on the back while attempting to vaguely criticize the techniques of others that are also either profitable or tailored to their own situation, too.

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: The alternative is one can write a lot of stuff and lose ones ass, lots of hoping etc. Not my style.

You do seem to have a style for vague bragging though. Rolleyes Rolleyes

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: The difference between people doing well and people losing is that I don't care about Bitcoin. I don't want or care to defend it. It's a vehicle to make money, that's it. I simply try to anticipate what is happening and act on that. One should never be emotionally invested to "defend" Bitcoin.

Fair enough. So sharing information on a regular basis is too much emotional investment for your liking.. fine.

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:
(12-03-2019, 05:14 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote: panic-laden nonsense

Literal current chart, and zero panic from me (I played it right), but I can understand your stress at such great loses this year by sticking it out through thin, for some reason.

I think that I already explained my position, no?

I don't measure profits in short term increments, but for the calendar year, looks like nearly 100% up, and if I look for several years, the level of profit is up quite well, too. My strategy is working well for me, too, so you can imply that I have some kind of panic which is far from the case. My investment in bitcoin is like 4x more profitable than the minimum that I had hoped for over the long term. My bitcoin investment was only a portion of my assets, but it so much outperformed my other assets that it became way a larger part of my overall wealth, and I have no reason to panic or stress or otherwise because I was already sufficiently wealthy (at least enough to have my long term investments in place) without bitcoin, but bitcoin has brought that wealth up to a higher than expected level.

I don't know how anyone can proclaim that buying and holding bitcoin would have been a bad strategy over the past 6 years or so, even if there would have been ways to make more money off of it (retrospectively), but when many of us invest, we do not necessarily invest retrospectively, we attempt to invest prospectively. Of course, there is going to be variance too, but bitcoin has demonstrated itself to be a decent long term investment in terms of DCA, or in terms of buying on dips, even if there might be some hybrid variations that might have paid off better buying and accumulating has been pretty decent too.. and surely to the extent that you are suggesting that BTC might be going down from here, would be problematic, since it is frequently better to be buying as the price goes down (when we are currently in about a 50% down from our local top of $13,880), instead of suggesting some other strategy such as selling and attempting to buy back lower when the price might not go lower.

What are you suggesting now? You are saying that we should have already sold, but what if we did not, then what do we do? Just wait? What if we prepare only for down and the price goes up? Mostly what I say, on a regular basis is for guys to prepare for both down and up, and of course they should be tailoring to their own situation rather than tailoring to some situation of someone else or attempting to make short term BTC price predictions that end up NOT panning out or even blowing up.


(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: I will agree that we are nearing a bottom though, so time to buy in again (not yet, but soon- I'll let you know IYW)

Yeah right. We should have a strategy that we have to wait for you? That does not seem to be a good place to be, and all we need is another self-proclaimed BTC price sorcerer that only tells us after its too late.

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: The key though Jay is to not be holding during a long and predictable downturn.

It works for me, so there is that. I doubt that I am going to change my strategy because it works. I have plenty of cash and I have plenty of bitcoins, so I don't see what is the problem exactly, except that you are trying to say that I should be doing what you are supposedly doing, which would mean that we would not have any bitcoin thread because you post only a few times a year, and only when you are feeling some kind of self-righteousness, so that does not really do much good in terms of sharing information about bitcoin, does it?


(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: There's always next time though, that's the great thing

You seem to be presuming too much here. There are a variety of guys, and you are suggesting playing around like selling all and buying back, which can have a lot of issues, including tax implications. I hold the vast majority of my BTC through all of this and just continue to accumulate, so I don't need to measure in terms of what I could have done. I can just say my average cost per BTC is $700 or whatever the fuck it is and then if I decide to sell some then I am pretty much always at profit these days... of course, I have accumulated more BTC too, but whatever, my own system is already well refined and oiled in a way that suits me.


(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:
(12-03-2019, 05:14 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote: Teaches me a lesson to allow the bitcoin skeptical meander for very long

Lol you never allow that for even a moment, I don't think that's an issue here mate!.

Fair enough. In the particular referenced issue, I did allow for 24 hours, but mostly you are correct on that point.

(12-05-2019, 05:09 AM)GlobalMan Wrote: Very little Bitcoin realism or neutral winning strategy is allowed in Jays world, only HODLing and pasting articles while the account goes ↘↘

I doubt that my situation is as bad, lacking in neutrality, or supposedly desperate as you are making it out to be. But, hey you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is coming off as a bit judgmental, and of course, it appears that BTC is way the fuck less of your investment than mine whether it comes to amount of BTC or percentages. Of course, for OPsec sakes we more frequently try to discuss percentages and relevances like that rather than getting into dick measuring, but we should be able to discuss various kinds of BTC strategies, and I have created this thread largely for sharing information about BTC rather than some other strategy that might prioritize something else such as making dollars or something like that. One nice thing about BTC is that ultimately guys should be able to figure out strategies to do both (that is get interested and informed about BTC and also to increase their overall wealth).


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - GlobalMan - 12-05-2019

"Why don't you share more here" the guy asks unironically

LOL I wonder why Jay!!

- Demands expertise
- "oh wow look at you brag"
- Demands details
- Freaks the F out on people asking for his own details historically
- "probably small holdings anyway"
- (no disclosure from me)
- "I don't need no dick measuring!"

Why would anyone interested in making real money from bitcoin spend time in such an environment? No one did over at RVF either. Why? This same sillyness played out every time someone with different ideas popped in (especially if they were successful while Jay was agonizing over whatever). Jay doesn't want that kind of money making talk and bitcoin neutrality. Jay wants bitcoin futurism blogging and fandom. That's fine. But I only care about what Bitcoin can do for me.

Listen, there is nothing to follow from Jay. Jay says buy bitcoin and hold bitcoin because bitcoin bitcoin future bitcoin. That is bitcoin entertainment blogging, that is not a strategy or even mildly difficult. And there's nothing wrong with that type of investing at all, but at the same time it does not require daily blogging or "analyzing" (how much of this analyzing has led to action?). You could put that on autopilot and have the same results. Again, still making some money probably in the end, so that's great, but it's not what I'm interested in.

And for the record, I have never once declared myself an expert in anything (except looking good), least of all bitcoin, but Jay isn't quick enough (a pattern) to recognize my statement above is the opposite of claiming some sort of complicated expertise, it was attempting to downplay the necessity of (and mock) the idea that posting permahodl articles and ideas is some form of bitcoin "expertise". Of course I am vague about my own details- I'm not a retard lol. Also for the record, I never popped in to "brag" about anything RVF. This is Jay taking liberties and mixing me with various characters he has been upset with. I have not done this. I rarely even posted there- like everyone else who is smart and nice I too left the thread quickly after entering.

FYI Jay, Armogan is doing extremely well and says hello.


RE: The Bitcoin Thread (price and other bitcoin related topics) - JayJuanGee - 12-05-2019

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: "Why don't you share more here" the guy asks unironically

LOL I wonder why Jay!!

I am not really asking you to share more information, but I am suggesting that your points might have a bit more credibility if they are fleshed out a bit more and if they are more regular. Do what you like, ultimately, which seems to be attempting to make a parody rather than serious contribution attempts.



(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: - Demands expertise
- "oh wow look at you brag"

You were saying that you were an expert, and I was just pointing that out. Why take it so personally?

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: - Demands details
- Freaks the F out on people asking for his own details historically

I think that I have provided enough details over the years. I don't need to be trolled on the topic, and I am not really asking you to do anything.. I am just suggesting that you are lacking in various ways when you come into the thread suggesting woe is me regarding anyone investing into bitcoin and projecting a downward trajectory while attempting to claim that you are being objectively factual.

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: - "probably small holdings anyway"
- (no disclosure from me)
- "I don't need no dick measuring!"

Who the fuck knows what you are doing when you are trying to vaguely proclaim that you sold and that the BTC price is going down and you are going to buy at some undefined spot.


So if the price does not go down, we will not hear from you for 6 months or 18 months and then you will come in and say how smart that you are, and if the price goes down, you will be here a lot longer saying I told you so... otherwise you are far the fuck from regular and far the fuck from credible on these BTC price projection points.



(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: Why would anyone interested in making real money from bitcoin spend time in such an environment?

Well, if you are just interested in pumping and dumping some kind of asset then you might not get very good reception in these here parts.

I think that the OP of this thread attempts to outline what is on topic and what is not, and merely making "real" money is not outlined in the thread topic. That is your imposition of what should be valuable, so maybe you want to make your own thread on such topic. Oh yeah, right... you do not want to make your own thread because no one would read it because it would die because you might post once or twice in a year, and then a few years later forget where, what or how happened to your thread.

You might be ADD.... hhahahahahahahaha Tongue Tongue Tongue

Anyhow, I attempt to frame the OP and maybe attempt to keep the thread about bitcoin, and of course if you can make money along the way that is fine, but short term focusing on making money is not my interest and tends to be a distraction, and even a reason that many guys get lured into shitcoins, ICOs and various other seemingly bitcoin related snake-oils and end up getting pumped and dumped.


(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: No one did over at RVF either. Why? This same sillyness played out every time someone with different ideas popped in (especially if they were successful while Jay was agonizing over whatever). Jay doesn't want that kind of money making talk and bitcoin neutrality. Jay wants bitcoin futurism blogging and fandom. That's fine. But I only care about what Bitcoin can do for me.

Even though I was and still seem to be the most active poster in the bitcoin thread at RVF, I did not try to stop discussions about bitcoin, but I did try to stop trolling, attacks, shilling and those kinds of behaviors. In this thread, I attempted to outline that more into the OP, and largely at RVF versus here versus other threads, the number of shills/trolls and disingenuine posters can be quite reduced if nipped in the bud. In the end, I am not an administrator so I cannot delete posts, so there is that.

By the way, you are kind of admitting that you do not want to post about bitcoin or on topic, but you would like to chime in from time to time to show how big your dick is... hahahaha I don't need to repeat, do I? that I don't believe that you have a genuine practice if you are not wanting to share it somewhat regularly and then you want to come into the thread in such a way that seems to distract more than providing some kind of meaningful helpful information.

You tell me (or any of the other guys here) what good it does to come into this thread and provide a chart of BTC price going down and to imply that it is further going down, when you really don't know. Sure, you may have asserted that you had largely already gotten out, but who the fuck even knows what that means, you might have gotten out at $6k in May, and have been waiting for the price to go back down to below $6k ever since and just starting to feel that maybe there is some light at the end of the tunnel in the past couple of weeks? Who the fuck knows? Do you have a track record somewhere that you would like to point out to give you more credibility (at least a little?)?

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: Listen, there is nothing to follow from Jay. Jay says buy bitcoin and hold bitcoin because bitcoin bitcoin future bitcoin.

Oh your point is to just attempt to remove credibility from me?

I doubt that anyone needs you to summarize what I have said because they can look at posts that I have made and take them with whatever grain of salt that they would like. I have a string of posts, and you? Just here and there complaining about me. I thought that we might have been starting to get along, but no, you gotta come in and suggest that I am a micro-penis... hahahahahaha.. Would suck if anything you said was actually true, rather than just exaggerating shit.

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: That is bitcoin entertainment blogging, that is not a strategy or even mildly difficult.

Of course, I share my strategy, but I don't impose it on anyone, otherwise just sharing information and updates on bitcoin on a regular basis.


(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: And there's nothing wrong with that type of investing at all, but at the same time it does not require daily blogging or "analyzing" (how much of this analyzing has led to action?).

I don't suggest that daily posts necessarily lead to any actions. I just provide the information and it is bitcoin related, and usually bitcoin bullish. If it does not seem to be bitcoin bullish, then I will engage in some explaining or attempts at contextualizing which may or may not be helpful for either other guys or myself. Sometimes I will provide information that helps me to contextualize some contemporary bitcoin related information.

I agree that there are times in which the information or the news might be a bit boring or even repetitive, but no one is forced to read these messages, that's for sure.


(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: You could put that on autopilot and have the same results.

Autopilot is not that well programmed, and probably would end up giving some bad assessments or even failing to understand some of the information that is being posted.

I doubt that my understanding is the greatest, either, and so in that regard, I believe that I am continuing to attempt to learn. Of course, sometimes there are posters who might provide some better understandings or some perspective that is different from my own, and that can be helpful too, sometimes. Sometimes I will just find the answer (or a better answer) on my own, and then frequently I will update my earlier post on the topic, if the topic of such post still seems relevant.

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: Again, still making some money probably in the end, so that's great, but it's not what I'm interested in.

Huh? Not sure what you mean, here. I am making money and I am also hedging my dollar investments with bitcoin investing. Regarding you? I don't know. You claim to be making money but now not interested in making money? or maybe you were trying to make a parody out of me? Who knows? You may have to tweak your AI a bit.


(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: And for the record, I have never once declared myself an expert in anything (except looking good), least of all bitcoin,

Maybe I misread you then?

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: but Jay isn't quick enough (a pattern) to recognize my statement above is the opposite of claiming some sort of complicated expertise, it was attempting to downplay the necessity of (and mock) the idea that posting permahodl articles and ideas is some form of bitcoin "expertise".

Guys do sometimes try to proclaim that I am trying to act like an expert in the field of bitcoin, but I am just one guy posting a lot about a topic, and hopefully guys can come to their own conclusions about what to read or not and whether to participate or to formulate their own opinions on whatever is the substance of the various posts.



(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: Of course I am vague about my own details- I'm not a retard lol.

Well, sure there is OPsec, so some kinds of vagueness is acceptable, but if you are trying to just shit on other guys for HODLing or whatever, then what kind of contribution are you making to the thread? I wonder?

(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: Also for the record, I never popped in to "brag" about anything RVF. This is Jay taking liberties and mixing me with various characters he has been upset with. I have not done this. I rarely even posted there- like everyone else who is smart and nice I too left the thread quickly after entering.

You think that I am mixing you up with another user? You did post in the bitcoin RVF thread a few times - but whatever, I doubt that I am mixing you up with anyone else. You want to have a clean slate, here? And start your bullshit FUD spreading attempts without any history? hahahahaha That's great. Have your cake and eat it too.


(12-05-2019, 12:51 PM)GlobalMan Wrote: FYI Jay, Armogan is doing extremely well and says hello.

Can't he speak for himself? NOT that I really miss him. He was just another persistent troll, shill, bitcoin naysayer and altcoin pumper who largely admitted what he was doing.

Seems that he got banned from RVF for doing what he was doing and admitting it, so why is there any need to glamorize troll/shills who ended up getting banned for their lack of staying with the forum rules?

Seems a bit off topic and even disingenuous, no?

Also, seems strange when some RVF guys bring up that diptwat Armogan, as if he were some kind of crypto wizard - including knowing a lot about bitcoin, too, but he did not really know nearly as much as he was proclaiming to know and admitted that he was spreading shit and attempting to pump a variety of shitcoins, but of course, he would not give up and was pretty disjointed in the emotionalness of his posts and his frequently ongoing devolution into irrelevant personal attacks, shit stirring and gratuitous drama (that many RVF guys, especially no coiner, bitcoin naysayers and altcoin pumpers loved) rather than trying to stay on topic.

Hopefully not too many RVF guys got burned by him, and you know the way scammers work sometimes, is that they are in and out before everyone else, yet they still get glamorized for "doing well" or even "extremely well" but likely employed a lot of dubious practices along the way.. .all is fair in war, no? Anyhow, fuck that diptwat, I don't see any reason to glorify his nonsense, to the extent that he even exists or existed as a real person. Take his previous nonsense with a BIG ASS grain of salt, and whether he comes back or not, there are going to be plenty of more members like him in threads like this. They come in and troll/shill the fuck out of the space, and you have to only hope that they get banned rather than screwing up the thread, which seems to be a large part of their purpose anyhow, unless nipped in the bud.