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Go for women that like me and places where I have exotic advantage
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Go for women who like you versus women you are attracted to (but no advantage)
#1
This has been a dilemma for me recently and we all accept that there are places where men who look a certain way will do well versus others..I also think men of some groups do better with women of other groups. I do well with white women that are pale, black women, and darker Indian/darker Asian women. It is known on here that if you are a white guy with light features, you'll do well with Asian girls and latinas. 

But what if you are the kind of white guy who might be blond but loves blondes the most himself, a situation where you do not have nearly the same advantage or leverage as you would if you were game an Asian girl. Or a guy like me who loves the looks of Persian, Latin, and Mediterranean women but has a bad experience with them since he is a bit darker himself.

It does not have to be about traveling (especially not with the coronavirus) but we can make it about that too. Does a blond haired guy who is into blondes the most play it smart and go to Colombia or Brazil where he is sure to have easy pickings or does he go to Sweden where there will be nothing special about him?

Or a guy like me who does well with blondes, black girls, and pale as fuck white girls but is sexually most into a Kim Kardashian looking chick; does he go to an Ireland where he will have a great time or does he go to a country with tons of women with dark hair and tanned skin but he gets no exotic advantage or anything (if anything, massive disadvantages)?

I will make the case for both depending on how the thread and replies go as well as where my mind is at. Would love to hear from brighter minds here though.
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#2
It doesn't hurt a basketball player who has lost confidence in his shot to hit a layup or a fifteen footer to get himself back in the groove. On the other hand, if you are feeling like pulling up the minute you cross half court, there is no reason not to go for the three right away.
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#3
I'd say it's usually better to go where you do well and have the factors in your favor. There is a certain point where you do have to go after what you want most. Ie- if you like blondes the most but dont do best with them, eventually you will be most fulfilled by obtaining quality over quantity.

You can do both though while doing this whole world traveling thing.
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#4
Dude,

How many times are you going to make a variation of the exact same thread? This level of OCD can not be helping your game.
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#5
I hate to say it but chasing girls is pretty pointless these days. They do the choosing, you cant make them like you.

You basically have to stick to whatever girls incidentally fall into your social circle and lifestyle where they can observe you first.

Their minds seem extremely tilted towards social pre approval, I've given up on cold approaches.
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#6
Yes, it has grown tiresome but I find that repetitive fixations around certain themes is a symptom of some on the spectrum versus OCD.
Favorite Countries:  Finland, Latvia, Ukraine, Serbia, Montenegro, Georgia, Japan, Argentina.

Countries For Future Travel:  Norway, Sweden, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bosnia, Macedonia, Moldova, Uzbekistan.
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#7
(03-15-2020, 08:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote: I hate to say it but chasing girls is pretty pointless these days. They do the choosing, you cant make them like you.

You basically have to stick to whatever girls incidentally fall into your social circle and lifestyle where they can observe you first.

Their minds seem extremely tilted towards social pre approval, I've given up on cold approaches.

I think we are undergoing a revolution of sorts right now which might bring about the death of pickup. I have actually had most of my lays through online dating and found cold approach, for the large part, ineffective unless it is at a bar and during nightgame. Maybe I never did daygame right but it seems like less and less people have success with it these days.
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#8
I knew who this was before I saw the author. This guy fucks hot white women.
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#9
I've been thinking of this a lot given my current predicament of getting women that are not my top preference but struggling with my type. I think that maybe a guy, starting off, is better served by going for women who are naturally receptive to him. If you go for women who find you hot from the get go and are naturally prone to liking men like you, that's your best case. It's like in business, go after your market that is a good fit for your product and needs it.

I think this is part of why travel threads on Roosh's forum were so big, guys needed to know where in the world they could go to get an easier start.

Then as a guy accumulates tons of notches and has got to a point where he has almost maxed out with a given demographic, maybe then he challenges himself. So for a blond guy, it would be like accumulating 100+ notches in South America or Thailand and then, he tries his luck in Scandinavia where he barely has that big of an advantage.

For me, it would be going to Scandinavia or Ireland, getting a ton of notches, and then trying my luck in Colombia or Bulgaria where my look is sure to work against me or at best be a neutral.
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#10
(03-15-2020, 08:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote: I hate to say it but chasing girls is pretty pointless these days. They do the choosing, you cant make them like you.

You basically have to stick to whatever girls incidentally fall into your social circle and lifestyle where they can observe you first.

Their minds seem extremely tilted towards social pre approval, I've given up on cold approaches.

Things haven't changed much at all in the last 10 years. If you dress well, have some money, and travel to the right countries you can meet plenty of girls.

That's why the travel section on RVF was so popular. Guys would say "Hey, colombia is a good place for tan latinas!" or southeast asia is great for Asian chicks. I think the only thing that has really changed is for white girls there aren't any super hot spots anymore. No Poland/Ukraine/Russia threads being posted. Thats probably why Roosh gave up...his target demographic got too challenging for him (plus he aged). If he was into black or Asian chicks he would have kept pumping out Bang guides.
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#11
(03-16-2020, 05:24 PM)Blake2 Wrote:
(03-15-2020, 08:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote: I hate to say it but chasing girls is pretty pointless these days. They do the choosing, you cant make them like you.

You basically have to stick to whatever girls incidentally fall into your social circle and lifestyle where they can observe you first.

Their minds seem extremely tilted towards social pre approval, I've given up on cold approaches.

Things haven't changed much at all in the last 10 years. If you dress well, have some money, and travel to the right countries you can meet plenty of girls.

That's why the travel section on RVF was so popular. Guys would say "Hey, colombia is a good place for tan latinas!" or southeast asia is great for Asian chicks. I think the only thing that has really changed is for white girls there aren't any super hot spots anymore. No Poland/Ukraine/Russia threads being posted. Thats probably why Roosh gave up...his target demographic got too challenging for him (plus he aged). If he was into black or Asian chicks he would have kept pumping out Bang guides.

What I loved about Roosh is that he is very much a real to the point blunt guy, not a PUA that sells you BS. When it came to race, he was on point  with so much of his stuff.

While Roosh has said he prefers white girls, I think a lot of it was kind of mutual. Given his appearance, Roosh probably slayed in really white countries and while his game is good, it can also be attributed to the fact that swarthy dudes do well in pasty white countries. Now add in his American factor and you get someone who was in the right place at the right time. I don't think white girls would be challenging for someone like Roosh and neither would black girls if he was into them.

If my memory does serve me correct, he did struggle in South America despite having a thing for Latinas. He often talked about how his blond friends barely had to do anything to get laid while he had to try hard to get girls. 

Same with Asian girls, unless they are really dark, I don't think Roosh would have had as much of a shot.

I think him giving up was due to the fact that there was a massive witch hunt on him for ages and he had a lot to fear with an angry mob chasing him.
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#12
I like all races of girls so it is easier for me. A super hot 8 that has her blood boiling to suck your cock is way better than a 7 that is "your type" that you have to have perfect body language, perfect jokes, perfect escalation, perfect logisitics, pass shit tests with flying colors, for what often is sex that is not as enthusiastic on her part as the girl that want to devour you.

I think a dirty secret about game is often the more perfect your verbal game has to be to get a girl in bed oftentimes she isn't as enthusiastic once she is in bed. Yeah sex is like pizza, all pizza is somewhat good. Only some girls though really lose their shit once the clothes come off and go for it on there own volition not need amazing foreplay, sex tricks, or whatever else. In my experience that strong sexual tension is strictly innate, physical, visual, pheremone based. I really don't think you can talk, or dress your way into that easily. And those "natural" bangs to me have had the best memories.

So I am all in on going for the 8's that are most physically and visually into you no matter their race.
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#13
If you have any self respect at all you will do the latter even if that means going home alone every so often.
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#14
(03-17-2020, 03:29 AM)Travesty Wrote: I like all races of girls so it is easier for me. A super hot 8 that has her blood boiling to suck your cock is way better than a 7 that is "your type" that you have to have perfect body language, perfect jokes, perfect escalation, perfect logisitics, pass shit tests with flying colors, for what often is sex that is not as enthusiastic on her part as the girl that want to devour you.

I think a dirty secret about game is often the more perfect your verbal game has to be to get a girl in bed oftentimes she isn't as enthusiastic once she is in bed. Yeah sex is like pizza, all pizza is somewhat good. Only some girls though really lose their shit once the clothes come off and go for it on there own volition not need amazing foreplay, sex tricks, or whatever else. In my experience that strong sexual tension is strictly innate, physical, visual, pheremone based. I really don't think you can talk, or dress your way into that easily. And those "natural" bangs to me have had the best memories.

So I am all in on going for the 8's that are most physically and visually into you no matter their race.

Yeah and even when I reflect on my own success, it has come from social circle and when the girl was already interested. It's just that I post this thread because my type has changed, once you fuck enough blondes you get bored and want something different. It is when my preference changed that I realized I have never had that instant spark with girls that are now my type.

The more I think about it, the more I realize the solution in the end really are escorts if you have a type that won't go for you.

I love Latinas but the hottest ones that look ethnic (aka the type I really love, the brown mixed looking ones) fucking hate any kind of ethnic looking dudes for ONS. While white girls who are pale and black girls go crazy for us, all colors that are inbetween are a lot more "bleh" towards us. I think there is something to be said of familiarity breeding contempt, ethnic women are not into ethnic looking dudes. It even carries over to white women with that Latin look.

So I think the smart choice is to earn enough money, go where prostitution is legal, and just bang escorts who fit your type while gaming girls who give you attention. With on and off basis, you can bang the girl's friends that might happen to be your type but I would not get too attached.

I am to a point where I would not waste time chasing women from groups that see me as lesser or take men with my kind of look for granted. There is no point in validating these kinds of chicks, if you do get good enough, I feel like you always make them come to you and lay down the law hard from the get go. I am slowly becoming an asshole towards Latinas and more ethnic looking white girls to where I blatantly ignore them and show disdain towards them, good ole Law 36 from Robert Greene there.

Even earlier this year when I was deciding travel plans, I went with Eastern Europe over Brazil and Colombia although the latter have a culture I love more. 

Then Coronavirus happened, so no traveling for me now lol.
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#15
Get in where you fit in.
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#16
(03-18-2020, 03:19 AM)WombRaider Wrote: Get in where you fit in.

Pun intended?  Rolleyes
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#17
(03-17-2020, 08:27 AM)atlant Wrote: If you have any self respect at all you will do the latter even if that means going home alone every so often.

I see your point, but I think the truth can sometimes be a bit more of a gray area.

(03-18-2020, 02:24 AM)Here Are Words Wrote:
(03-17-2020, 03:29 AM)Travesty Wrote: I like all races of girls so it is easier for me. A super hot 8 that has her blood boiling to suck your cock is way better than a 7 that is "your type" that you have to have perfect body language, perfect jokes, perfect escalation, perfect logisitics, pass shit tests with flying colors, for what often is sex that is not as enthusiastic on her part as the girl that want to devour you.

I think a dirty secret about game is often the more perfect your verbal game has to be to get a girl in bed oftentimes she isn't as enthusiastic once she is in bed. Yeah sex is like pizza, all pizza is somewhat good. Only some girls though really lose their shit once the clothes come off and go for it on there own volition not need amazing foreplay, sex tricks, or whatever else. In my experience that strong sexual tension is strictly innate, physical, visual, pheremone based. I really don't think you can talk, or dress your way into that easily. And those "natural" bangs to me have had the best memories.

So I am all in on going for the 8's that are most physically and visually into you no matter their race.

Yeah and even when I reflect on my own success, it has come from social circle and when the girl was already interested. It's just that I post this thread because my type has changed, once you fuck enough blondes you get bored and want something different. It is when my preference changed that I realized I have never had that instant spark with girls that are now my type.

The more I think about it, the more I realize the solution in the end really are escorts if you have a type that won't go for you.

I love Latinas but the hottest ones that look ethnic (aka the type I really love, the brown mixed looking ones) fucking hate any kind of ethnic looking dudes for ONS. While white girls who are pale and black girls go crazy for us, all colors that are inbetween are a lot more "bleh" towards us. I think there is something to be said of familiarity breeding contempt, ethnic women are not into ethnic looking dudes. It even carries over to white women with that Latin look.

So I think the smart choice is to earn enough money, go where prostitution is legal, and just bang escorts who fit your type while gaming girls who give you attention. With on and off basis, you can bang the girl's friends that might happen to be your type but I would not get too attached.

I am to a point where I would not waste time chasing women from groups that see me as lesser or take men with my kind of look for granted. There is no point in validating these kinds of chicks, if you do get good enough, I feel like you always make them come to you and lay down the law hard from the get go. I am slowly becoming an asshole towards Latinas and more ethnic looking white girls to where I blatantly ignore them and show disdain towards them, good ole Law 36 from Robert Greene there.

Even earlier this year when I was deciding travel plans, I went with Eastern Europe over Brazil and Colombia although the latter have a culture I love more. 

Then Coronavirus happened, so no traveling for me now lol.

Would you be down to LTR a high quality girl with the look that you like or are you just looking for quick flings with them at this point?  That could make a difference perhaps...
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(03-18-2020, 02:24 AM)Here Are Words Wrote: The more I think about it, the more I realize the solution in the end really are escorts if you have a type that won't go for you.

I love Latinas but the hottest ones that look ethnic (aka the type I really love, the brown mixed looking ones) fucking hate any kind of ethnic looking dudes for ONS. While white girls who are pale and black girls go crazy for us, all colors that are inbetween are a lot more "bleh" towards us. I think there is something to be said of familiarity breeding contempt, ethnic women are not into ethnic looking dudes. It even carries over to white women with that Latin look.

So I think the smart choice is to earn enough money, go where prostitution is legal, and just bang escorts who fit your type while gaming girls who give you attention. With on and off basis, you can bang the girl's friends that might happen to be your type but I would not get too attached.

I am to a point where I would not waste time chasing women from groups that see me as lesser or take men with my kind of look for granted. There is no point in validating these kinds of chicks, if you do get good enough, I feel like you always make them come to you and lay down the law hard from the get go. I am slowly becoming an asshole towards Latinas and more ethnic looking white girls to where I blatantly ignore them and show disdain towards them, good ole Law 36 from Robert Greene there.

Even earlier this year when I was deciding travel plans, I went with Eastern Europe over Brazil and Colombia although the latter have a culture I love more. 

Then Coronavirus happened, so no traveling for me now lol.

Isn't advocating for sleeping with prostitutes banned on the forum? It should be. That's low omega territory kind of thinking.
"Ethnic women", which I don't understand that classification in 2020, are not into their own kind? Weird ideas bro. Where do you get this shit?

Girls see you as a lesser because you want to sleep with hookers. Food for thought. That thirst and desperation shines through your personality, for sure.

All of these ideas are in your head, you don't know how girls see you... don't make assumptions or be a mind reader.
Frankly, I don't care about how girls see me, I care about outcomes. I don't prejudice myself to certain groups because I had a tiny sample size of chicks reject me. I always assume my game is the issue.
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#19
(03-18-2020, 06:50 PM)fullthrottle Wrote: Isn't advocating for sleeping with prostitutes banned on the forum? It should be. That's low omega territory kind of thinking.
"Ethnic women", which I don't understand that classification in 2020, are not into their own kind? Weird ideas bro. Where do you get this shit?

Girls see you as a lesser because you want to sleep with hookers. Food for thought... I don't prejudice myself to certain groups...

Who cares if he fucks whores. How would the girls know he is sleeping with hookers? "Ethnic" obviously means nonwhite here. He is saying nonwhite women prefer white men due to it increasing their status. He seems to be talking about poor third-world women, where the division between whores and nonwhores is really in semantics, they are generally single moms who might date for free if they like you, but need money and will get it from someone else even if you aren't paying them. This is a huge problem in many parts of south America, fortunately in Argentina at least it is more clear who is a whore and who isn't, but many other parts of SA, it is a lot harder to tell. Sure in the first world women don't ask you for money every time you have sex. They will just ask for a diamond ring then the courts will give all your money to them! Or, the government takes all the working man's money as taxes and gives it to freeloading women as welfare. If you're getting pussy, you are most likely paying for it somehow.
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#20
I think it all comes down to how much you think factors like appearance, ethnicity, and those types of phenotypic traits make in terms of women you attract. From my experience as I have stated countless times on this forum, there is a trend with the attractive women I have interacted with:
  • Pale white women and black women are nice to me from the get go, I match with them a lot on dating apps, have been with quite a few, and on a social level have pleasant experiences with them. Blondes are very nice to me from the get go.

  • Olive skinned women with dark hair and women with "exotic" looks that are hot have been hostile and unreceptive to me in most cases. I probably do the worst with Latinas that look "ethnic" and Middle Eastern women than any other race out there, white women with similar looks are a close runner up to not liking me. Needless to say I do not match with these women on dating apps.
Maybe it's wanting to taste something different but I feel sexually attracted to the latter, good ole wanting what you cannot have.

Now could I overgame the latter, tighten up my fundamentals some more, and do all that? I would do that anyways regardless of women as every man should want to be his best self but I think about it in another way. Why not give my best to the women from groups that have given me their best? It feels kind of "off" in a way for me to be investing my time and effort into the kinds of women naturally made to dislike men who look like me.

I get it too, I think that olive skinned white women, Arab, and Latina women have somewhat of an insecurity about their social standing. Deep down due to their culture, they know they are below the hot blonde and that's just a fact. Naturally, they want to climb the social ladder even more so to them, even a handsome guy who happens to look exotic and not the Hollywood prototype is to be discarded (meaning any guy who is "ethnic" himself).

Sure, they may settle for him for an LTR but I am no one's free meal ticket. I love the role of the one night stand and sex toy over anything LTR because to me, an LTR is just a girl telling a man he is inferior and there because she already had her fun, I rather be the fun.

So my logic is if social standards and such stand in the way of me pulling women whose looks I get aroused by the most, I may as well see escorts for the sex to set the tone. The idea being, there is no fucking way in the world I am marryin yo ass bitch, ride the dick and get out quick.
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